Chat with Tom Tessier and P.D. Cacek
Snutch Talk Live! with Thomas Tessier and P.D. Cacek
ELWilliams.u says (02:02): Thomas Tessier is the author of numerous short stories and novels. Some of his best known works include the novels The Nightwalker, Rapture, Finishing Touches, Wicked Things, and Fog Heart, which was also nominated for the Stoker for Best Novel.
ELWilliams.u says (02:02): His short stories are just as well known and have appeared in such anthologies as Borderlands 3, Night Visions 9, and The Best New Horror 3 & 5.
ELWilliams.u says (02:02): His collection of shorts, Ghost Music: And Other Tales, is arguably one of the best collections of dark fiction out there today. Besides being a great writer, Tom’s also a pretty cool dude and fun to drink and shoot the shit with.
petralee.u says to (02:02): Can vouch for that! 
*** (02:02):Welcome to SNUTCH TALK LIVE! , RayGarton.u!
ELWilliams.u says (02:02): Hey, Ray
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:02): welcome, Ray!
RayGarton.u says to (02:02): Hi!
petralee.u says to (02:03): Hey Ray!~
kdespins.u says to (02:03): hi!
pdcacek.u says to (02:03): Hi Ray
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:03): Thanks for being here, Ray.
Tessier.u says to (02:03): Hi Ray.
ELWilliams.u says (02:03): Well, I’ll ask the first queston:
RayGarton.u says to (02:03): Hello, everyone. And hello, Tom! Good to see you!
ELWilliams.u says (02:03): We, with the exception of Ray, are looking at making the leap from short fiction to novels. From your experience, what advice would you give to those of us who are beginning or about to begin the novel writing process?
ELWilliams.u says (02:03): And Trish, Too.
Tessier.u says to (02:04): Think more about the characters and their situation, where the novel is centered…
Tessier.u says to (02:05): …a short story can be about any kind of thing, but a novel is a much larger whole, needs core characters and a governing focus.
pdcacek.u says to (02:05): I’ve just started a new one today. Basically I think of each chapter as a self-contained “story” which moves the “whole” forward. I also never start anything until I think it out all the way…then sit down and write the last line (so I know where it’s going)
Tessier.u says to (02:06): Ditto me, Trish, except about the last line part…
kdespins.u says to (02:06): So you outline before beginning?
Tessier.u says to (02:06): …my last sections tend to come late to me. For whatever reason, I don’t know.
Tessier.u says to (02:06): I don’t write the kind of detailed outlines many authors do, but I accumulate…
pdcacek.u says to (02:07): I only outline in my head…never on paper. It’s easier for me to change the minor bits that way.
Tessier.u says to (02:07): …pages of notes relating to the characters, location, anything I want to remember that might be needed.
petralee.u says to (02:08): When you are writing novels do you tend to finish it first and then edit page by page? Or do you edit as you go?
RayGarton.u says to (02:08): I’m an accumulater, too, Tom. If I outline a book in detail first, then when I’m finished with the outline, I feel *done*.
pdcacek.u says to (02:10): To Petra: I finish the novel, take a deep breath and two days rest then start at page one and begin to rewrite.
Tessier.u says to (02:10):
Petra, I finish the first draft and then begin editing and rewriting. I think it’s often a mistake to edit as you go, for some people anyway. It slows down that first rush, which you want to get all out and capture…
Tessier.u says to (02:10): …it’s easier to cut later than add later.
petralee.u says to (02:11): I try very had to do it that way! But damn, I find myself re-reading and going back. I have to physically stop myself! Second question – I have seen a multitude of writers switch pov’s in the middle of their story. There has been many conversations between the six of us that it is a NEVER a no-no, and absolutely cannot be done, and et I
petralee.u says to (02:11): I mean is a no-no. and never should be done.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:12): I find this a gross exagerration of our conversations
petralee.u says to (02:12): And yet I find it so many times by established writers. Even at workshops we are told no, do not ever do it. So what gives? What’s your take on that?
petralee.u says to (02:12): to sam.
Tessier.u says to (02:12): Okay, gimme a sec here…
Tessier.u says to (02:12): First, as the nuns used to say…DO stop yourself physically.
petralee.u says to (02:13):
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:13): HA
pdcacek.u says to (02:13): HATE the POV switch…but I see it, too. I learned (back when dino roamed the earth) this was THE BIG NO NO…but times change. I don’t do it, but….
Tessier.u says to (02:13): POV, you’re right, lots of people do it, and we all say you should never shift like that…
Tessier.u says to (02:14): Some VERY good writers get away with it, and a lot of not so good writers use it as a crutch, or out of laziness, whatever.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:15): That’s a good way to put it.
petralee.u says to (02:15): I’m glad you two know what I am talking about – felt like I was going crazy!
pdcacek.u says to (02:15): Lazy? How lazy is it to put in a scene break and swith the POV to a new character?
Tessier.u says to (02:15): I’m guilty, though I do fight against it strenuously…I like the 3rd person because you can go in and out of a characters thoughts all the time and still keep your balance and distance overall. You have to work this out yourself, but try to stick to one POV most of the time.
RayGarton.u says to (02:15): I’ve never been one to attend workshops or creative writing courses, so maybe this totally off-base. But it seems to me if it works, it works, and if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work … whatever the “rules” might be.
Tessier.u says to (02:15): Trish, yes, but that doesn’t always work in certain scenes.
petralee.u says to (02:16): Yeah Ray, I’ve heard that too. But I also thought was okay to change scenes and then change pov?
petralee.u says to (02:16): That last question to Tom and Trish
RayGarton.u says to (02:16): So have I, Petra.
pdcacek.u says to (02:16): It’s hard, but I’ve rewritten scenes to make it work. It’s just one of the little bugs I have
Tessier.u says to (02:17): Yes, Ray, but some readers do find their enjoyment marred by intra-scene shifts. Better as Trish said to change scenes and shift.
RayGarton.u says to (02:17): By the way, if I disappear abruptly, the power probably went out. It’s 112 degrees and we’re having rolling blackouts.
RayGarton.u says to (02:17): Yes, the intra-scene shifts are clumsy. I’ve done it, but I try not to.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:19): Setting – Tom, it seems, especially in your newer work (Wicked Things, The Woman in the Cable Car and even as far back as Father Panic)…
Tessier.u says to (02:19): club car
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:20): You’ve made your setting a more prominent player in your fiction – almost a character…Is this a consious decision? And can you talk a little about your strategy of setting in your work
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:20): And it is Club Car…I’m a horrible person’
pdcacek.u says to (02:20): Yes you are
petralee.u says to (02:20): yeag, you suck!
RayGarton.u says to (02:21): Whatever the thinking behind it, Tom, your settings are always vivid and beautifully rendered.
petralee.u says to (02:21): I mean, yeah
Tessier.u says to (02:21): I think I’ve always had a strong interest in settings…
Tessier.u says to (02:21): London in The Nightwalker was A LOT about the city itself, it’s past and secret history, underground rivers, burial pits etc.
RayGarton.u says to (02:22): That was the first one I read — and I thought you were British.
Tessier.u says to (02:22): And thanks for those words about it.
kdespins.u says to (02:22): ha! I did too
pdcacek.u says to (02:22): Fogheart is still my favorite.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:22): Agree with Trish
Tessier.u says to (02:24): Thanks Trish and Sam — the pedant in me insists, it’s Fog Heart.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:24): I mean I agree with Tom….Trish is a horrible person
RayGarton.u says to (02:25): This is not specifically a writing question, but …
RayGarton.u says to (02:26): Tom, my memory is sometime faulty so I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember you telling me some years ago that FINISHING TOUCHES had stirred some movie interest. Have I been hallucinating?
Tessier.u says to (02:26): Quite possibly, but not about the movie interest…
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:26): HA
RayGarton.u says to (02:26): Ha!
Tessier.u says to (02:26): I’ve optioned that book countless times over the years, always a nice little check…
Tessier.u says to (02:27): but no one has ever been able to get anywhere with it, so it’s still on the option block again.
RayGarton.u says to (02:27): Sounds like my experience with LIVE GIRLS. Many options that went nowhere.
Tessier.u says to (02:28): BTW< an option check every year or two is not a bad situation to be in with a book.
kdespins.u says to (02:28): I’m heading to Borderlands in January for the first time. I’m excited to be going and a little nervous at the same time. I want to go in prepared, so I can learn as much as possible in these three days…
kdespins.u says to (02:28): Can you give me any suggestions for preparing for the workshop and getting the most out of it both learning-wise and networking-wise?
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:29): Buy beer. It worked for Erik
Tessier.u says to (02:29): Rest up in advance and be prepared to work long hard hours, it’s pretty strenuous…
Tessier.u says to (02:29): …they will give you nightly assignments, quite apart from all the reading and prepping you have to do…
Tessier.u says to (02:29): …I thought it was very well put together and enjoyed the two times I was there…
kdespins.u says to (02:30): I hear you won’t be there this year. Right?
Tessier.u says to (02:30): …was asked to be in January again, but couldn’t do it.
kdespins.u says to (02:30): unfortunate for me
Tessier.u says to (02:30): Right, family vacation planned in tropical climes — hope it snows in Baltimore!
RayGarton.u says to (02:30): One piece of advice — if Monteleone’s there, don’t get him started on NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.
pdcacek.u says to (02:30): Lucky you.
ELWilliams.u says (02:31): Ray, I will poke that bear
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:31): or Ted Sturgeon’s penis
RayGarton.u says to (02:31): Ha!
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:31): Curious.. what does he say about No Country
RayGarton.u says to (02:31): Despises it.
pdcacek.u says to (02:31): Just bow and call him “Godfather”
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:31): and wear something low cut
RayGarton.u says to (02:31): And tell him you hope his first child is a masculine child.
kdespins.u says to (02:31): I can do those things
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:31): And don’t worry about crying…he’s used to it
petralee.u says to (02:31): Yeah.! he’s very used to it.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:32): I witnessed that!
kdespins.u says to (02:32): Sam crying?
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:32): duh
petralee.u says to (02:32): It was a sad thing,
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:32): And “Amongst the Waliling Winds’
kdespins.u says to (02:32): it always is
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:32): god…you’re an azzhole Mantooth
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:32): yep
*** (02:32):RayGarton.u quit the room
ELWilliams.u says (02:32): I guess Ray lost power
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:32): or hates us
ELWilliams.u says (02:32): both
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:33): Simple question. I think it applies to both novels and short stories. How do you know when something’s finished?
Tessier.u says to (02:33): Ach!
Tessier.u says to (02:33): ….
kdespins.u says to (02:33): great question, John
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:33): maybe not a simple answer though
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:33): loaded question, john
ELWilliams.u says (02:33): pure set up
Tessier.u says to (02:34): Go by gut, ultimately…
Tessier.u says to (02:34): Most of the time I’ve just had a pretty clear strong feeling that it was where it’s supposed to end…
pdcacek.u says to (02:34): Honestly…and you know this…it’s never finished. You can always write more or rewrite a piece. It’s finished when you tell yourself it’s finished — or the best it can be, for the moment.
Tessier.u says to (02:35): I haven’t really had to go back and change endings, after Nightwalker, which I did rewrite the ending of.
kdespins.u says to (02:35): I’m curious, what was the original ending?
Tessier.u says to (02:35): Never finished is right, Trish, but eventually we have to let the story/novel go.
pdcacek.u says to (02:35): I rewrote THE WINDCALLER because the first novel SUCKED!
petralee.u says to (02:35): You know, that’s never been an issue for me – I always know when it’s done.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:35): But the second was awesome!
kdespins.u says to (02:35): The version I read was good
kdespins.u says to (02:36): I liked Windcaller
pdcacek.u says to (02:36): Thank you
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:36): Yeah, it’s just Sometimes, I’ve got myself revising and revising, and then one day I look back at an earlier draft and realize it might be better than the one I ended up with. Does that make sense?
Tessier.u says to (02:36): Kim, the original version had a kind of left-hanging uncertainty, with Bobby going off to carry on…
Tessier.u says to (02:36): and nothing really resolved.
kdespins.u says to (02:36): ah, I like the final ending
pdcacek.u says to (02:38): John–sometimes (not often with me) the first draft feels “better” because it was written in the joy of discovery. The other drafts are work.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:38): Good point.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:38): You definitely start to lose the joy after the third or fourth draft.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:38): Thanks
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:38): Why does Mantooth’s wife never know when he’s finished
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:38): Okay. That hurt
petralee.u says to (02:38): What if you’re writing a novel and you hate it all the way you go, but you can’t seem to let it go either? what the hell do you do then?
Tessier.u says to (02:38): I think 90% of a book is in the first draft, the heart of it…
Tessier.u says to (02:39): …after that comes to hard work.
petralee.u says to (02:39): Should you just trash it?
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:39): well, that’s discouraging
petralee.u says to (02:39): Huck it?
Tessier.u says to (02:39): Petra…
petralee.u says to (02:39): burn it to a crisp?
Tessier.u says to (02:40): Put it aside,start something new. Or, push on at the risk of continual diminishing returns…
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:40): Finish the damn thing, Petra. Then you can burn it.
pdcacek.u says to (02:40): Petra: Put it away. Stick it in a closet and shut the door. Forget about it…except there will be some part of your brain that will be going over it and one day “it” will work. It’s happened to me more than once (believe me)
petralee.u says to (02:41): Really? BEcause that’s EXACTLY what I want to do with it!
Tessier.u says to (02:41): Or just take a breather and wait a few days/week tbefore taking another look at the WHOLE thing.
pdcacek.u says to (02:41): I burned a novel once…a romance. Nuff said.
kdespins.u says to (02:41): What if I’m just stuck or the story seems to fizzle. Put it away?
Tessier.u says to (02:41): Lots of good sentences and phrases get lost when something is burned.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:41): I’ve read your work Trish…I’m afraid a romance would just disturb me
pdcacek.u says to (02:41): Tell the story out loud to a friend…and it may correct itself once you HEAR it.
pdcacek.u says to (02:42): Sam, the romance scared ME!
Tessier.u says to (02:42): Yes, Trish!
petralee.u says to (02:42): See, it’s easier to put away a short story than it is to put away a novel, do you agree?
kdespins.u says to (02:42): good idea. I’ll give that a try
Tessier.u says to (02:42): Petra, absolutely.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:42): I like that idea Trish
ELWilliams.u says (02:42): I’m going to steal one of Sam’s questions from an earlier chat: In general, what do you feel is the most common difference between a really good story and a professional story? Any dos and don’ts for making a story more in the professional vein?
pdcacek.u says to (02:42): It does work…there’s something about hearing your work that stirs things up.
pdcacek.u says to (02:44): I’ve read a number of “professional stories” that have been just plain awful. Always write the best story you can and take your chances. A lot of the pro sales have to do with luck.
Tessier.u says to (02:44): A professional story can also be a really good story…it just depends on the writer, what they put into it…
Tessier.u says to (02:45): I kind of think of “professional” in terms of writers I don’t erspecially enjoy…
Tessier.u says to (02:46): …But there are also pros who are really superb…if the novel or story feels too calculated, chances are…
Tessier.u says to (02:46): the characters and rest of it just won’t be convincing enough to make you think of it as a great job.
Tessier.u says to (02:47): Ed McBain — a wonderful pro. Dean Koontz, never grabbed me.
ELWilliams.u says (02:48): Yeah, Tom, I know what you mean about Koontz.
kdespins.u says to (02:48): Let’s be honest, networking scares the crap out of me. For this reason, I’ve always aimed at being a fabulous writer, so I don’t have to network. Well, my theory seems to be bullshit. So, what’s the best way to network with established writers without coming off as a nervous schmuck?
pdcacek.u says to (02:49): Beats me. I still don’t know how to network. I have gotten better at talking to people, but I generally talk about my friend’s work, not my own. I’m a writer, not a marketeer.
Tessier.u says to (02:50): Kim, go to some cons if you want…I don’t think networking has much to do with writing…
kdespins.u says to (02:50): I went to WHC last year. That’s how I ended up with these people.
kdespins.u says to (02:50): (which is a good thing)
Tessier.u says to (02:50): Just write the best stuff you ca. Believe me, if it’s good, people will compete to buy it.
kdespins.u says to (02:51): so, don’t worry about networking?
pdcacek.u says to (02:51): And I do know the First Reader at Leisure Books. 
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:52): So what grabs you Trish and doesn’t let go?
kdespins.u says to (02:52): so, I just had this novel rejected by Leisure…
petralee.u says to (02:52): lol
Tessier.u says to (02:52): Uh-oh, over to Trish from Kim.
pdcacek.u says to (02:52): GOOD WRITING! You’d be stunned at how little I see.
ELWilliams.u says (02:52): So, here’s a loaded question for Trish: how many make it through the slushpile? On average? Really any chance?
pdcacek.u says to (02:54): Last month I went through 76 mss… only six of which were horror (I also read thrillers, westerns, mysteries, everything but Romance) and only two made my “want to read more” list. To be honest I hate…
pdcacek.u says to (02:55): Vampires and zombies. BTW, zombies are going out (thank God). I’d love to see a really good horror novel where the author remembers that horror is an “emotion” and not the excuse for gallons of blood and guts. Yuck.
Tessier.u says to (02:55): Oh, thank you — so right.
ELWilliams.u says (02:56): So demons are cool? Sweet.
pdcacek.u says to (02:56): And yes…there is always a chance.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:56): Curious, Trish (now that I know you are the reader!!)… Would Leisure look at something that was more southern noir/ gothic than traditional horror?
petralee.u says to (02:56): that’s a BEAUTIFUL ANSWER!
pdcacek.u says to (02:56): Yes, indeed. I personally love southern noir gothic…but it HAS to have the feel of horror.
JohnMantooth.u says to (02:57): Gotcha. Thanks.
Tessier.u says to (02:57): Another Borderlander, Rick Koster, writes wonderful southern noir…
Tessier.u says to (02:57): I think he a story coming out in DC soon.
Tessier.u says to (02:57): CD, I mean.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:59): Tom, in comments about an upcoming collection, you’re critique was the writer should focus a little more on characterization…or so I hear. So, um..hints? Any techniques we should be looking at? Is there a way to tell if the character isn’t well-rounded since we, as writers (ha), already no them and maybe aren’t communicating who
Sam W Anderson.u says to (02:59): they are clearly?
kdespins.u says to (02:59): you’re?
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:00): I hate you
kdespins.u says to (03:00): no them?
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:00): Yeah, TOM IS CRITIQUE
Tessier.u says to (03:00): Sam, character is in the details about what they look like, what they say, how they feel, and of course how they act….
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:00): know them and maybe aren’t communicating who they are
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:00): sorry…I suck
Tessier.u says to (03:01): More detail, the better. Without bogging things down…
Tessier.u says to (03:01): It tells more about a character when you describe how he touches a woman/child’s cheek than a page of background history of his rough childhood.
pdcacek.u says to (03:02): Nice!
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:02): So, sorry John, my last critique of a Mantooth story was to try and build the character in the moment rather than through backstory…is this where we should be looking?
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:02): bASTARD
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:02): and I started that question before I got to read your response
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:02): I suck
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:02): still
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:03): and forever
Tessier.u says to (03:03): Let’s all stop bragging.
ELWilliams.u says (03:03): Trish, want to take a stab at the characterization question?
ELWilliams.u says (03:04): Any tricks of the trade
kdespins.u says to (03:04): techniques for developing round characters
pdcacek.u says to (03:05): As I said, I think out a story (or novel) before I start, so I pretty much know my characters before I start writing them. In the new novel, I’ve begun with what might seem a “talking heads” shot–no names, but in the male’s POV. I let “his” feeling of the woman he’s with set her character…
pdcacek.u says to (03:07): and allow the reader to set “his” by the way he reacts and thinks. I like making the reader feel they’re a part of the plot. I do put in physical details, but, again, generally though the eyes of another character.
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:08): Good stuff, Trish.
Tessier.u says to (03:09): Ah, good. I don’t think of this as technique, just a matter of feel, what feels right to me as I’m writing it, and later…
Tessier.u says to (03:09): what may seem still to e missing.
Tessier.u says to (03:09): be missing, Sam.
kdespins.u says to (03:09): so it comes through practice?
pdcacek.u says to (03:09): Everything does
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:09): I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING
kdespins.u says to (03:09): makes sense
Tessier.u says to (03:10): Yes, absolutely. I think writing is a lot like learning a musical instrument…the more you practice/do it, the better you will become at it.
petralee.u says to (03:10): When you pitch a novel, what makes them ask for the whole manuscript as opposed to just a few chapters? It sounds like the answer is obvious, but when a person’s pitch sucks, it would stand to reason they would only ask for a few chapters instead of the whole thing.
Tessier.u says to (03:12): Petra, Trish can give you a better answer on this, since I’ve never pitched a novel, just wrote the damn things and then tried to sell them.
petralee.u says to (03:12): Very lucky for you! But I really wanted the experience, so I did it.
Tessier.u says to (03:13): If I had to pitch my peculiar stuff, I’d never get anywhere. Things are different now, I guess.
pdcacek.u says to (03:13): Don’t play games like starting to tell the plot then saying “and if you want to know what happens, I’ll send you the whole thing.” I’ve actually heard this. Basically, tell the main plot, from A to Z, while hitting what you think are the high points…
pdcacek.u says to (03:15): And be as professional as possible. This is your job, remember.
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:18): Erik’s intro mentioned Best New Horror 3…
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:20): I know I asked you about how poetry has affected your work before, but that’s where I discovered your work and Steve Tems (another former poet)…in looking at your past work and Steves, it seems to have a big influence…I’m interested in getting my feet wet…where do I start
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:20): BTW, Trish, BNH3 has an excellent Ed Bryant story, too
pdcacek.u says to (03:21): There was a young man from Nantucket
kdespins.u says to (03:21): ha!
pdcacek.u says to (03:21): Which of Ed’s stories?
Tessier.u says to (03:21): Sam, just start writing it. But if you’re really serious about it, read as much poetry as you can, to see what others have done…
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:21): Human Remains
Tessier.u says to (03:22): …classics right through the 20th C. Poetry is not — to me — something where you just pour your feelings out…
Tessier.u says to (03:22): …every word counts crucially. Just as you would…
Tessier.u says to (03:23): …read lots of horror literature, you want to know poetry, how it works, what it can do.
ELWilliams.u says (03:24): Okay, well anyone want to put anything out there? Promote anything coming up?
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:24): Yeah, guys tell us about something you’ve got on the horizon.
pdcacek.u says to (03:25): Yes. Go to Amazon.com and order READ YOUR FEARS…it has a killer Tessier story and will help kids at Johns Hopkins.
Tessier.u says to (03:25): I’m pretty well along with a new novel, tentativelt titled — and I do mean it is tentative — The Banshee.
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:26): What about you, Trish?
Sam W Anderson.u says to (03:26): Any word on the short story collection, Tom?
Tessier.u says to (03:28): Sam, I still have stories I’m working on that I want to include, and I want it to be a bigger collection than I had previously planned. All is coming along well with it (and them), just more work to be done.
pdcacek.u says to (03:29): Well, it’s been fun. Thanks for inviting me.
kdespins.u says to (03:29): Thanks for the chat Tom and Trish
petralee.u says to (03:29): I actually have to put my children to bed now, but it was great talking to both of you! Nice to meet you Trish! And always a pleasure talking to you Tom!
ELWilliams.u says (03:29): You’re welcome, Trish. Thanks to both you and Tom for taking the time.
Tessier.u says to (03:29): Thank you all, it has been very good fun and talk.
JohnMantooth.u says to (03:30): Thanks, Tom and Trish. Enjoyed it very much.
pdcacek.u says to (03:31): Okay, website www.pdcacek.com
Tessier.u says to (03:32): www.thomastessier.com
Tessier.u says to (03:34): Night all!
